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Dax · Oct 03, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

Four million copies of a game sold and four million players are radically different things.

EDIT: Thanks Dax for you reply since it amounts to nothing. Which is my point. You can't compare WoW and GW.

Hahah you're right WoW is much better. I only deleted my statment because I was trying to expand on it, evidently you were too quick. Please don't you and Gaile take it as a retraction. Evidently I must have caused a panic mode.

Edit: It's hard to argue a point to a PR person and a cheerleader it's a losing battle, so I'll give you the credit that my reply amounts to nothing...still WoW has the capital and the numbers to say you're wrong whether you like the game or not.

AeroLion · Oct 03, 2005, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by Dax

Nor would you see that many upset people in the forums, but maybe thats just my interpretation.

If forums were any indication of the quality of a game, WoW would be the worst game in history. Which it isn't so forums mean absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by Dax

Hahah you're right WoW is much better.

Would you care to be an adult or would like to state pointless bullsh*t with no facts or opinions to reinforce anything you say? Yes, WoW is better than GW if the treadmill type gameplay is what you desire. If you don't GW is better. In either case, it's retarded to compare one to the other since they are so radically different. The only thing of consequence they have in common is they are both online and can be co-operative.

From a monetary perspective neither game has anything on Lineage 2 which, according to the publisher, is the most popular game of all time. My personaly response to that is the same as it is to WoW as it is to GW as it is to any online game: you can make up any statistic to make yourself seem like the best kid on the block but it matters to exactly no one except stockholders.

Dax, don't be an idiot. I have the post you previously deleted print-screened. If you would take the time to pull your head out of your own prostate, pass your anus, and into the wide, wide world, you would see that I'm hardly an apologist for Anet. Try to come up with a better reply next time, child.

sino-soviet · Oct 03, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by smurfhunter

wow is beating gw 5:1... thats kinda... o_O

Considering the financial success and upkeep costs of WOW, I think thats a very healthy ratio.

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

If forums were any indication of the quality of a game, WoW would be the worst game in history. Which it isn't so forums mean absolutely nothing.

I don't think Dax was indicating that forums are representative of quality; its representative of the replay value. But Dax, you seem to be forgetting that recently, the amount of complaints have spiraled downward, while the praise has gone up. Look at the 1st three pages of the riverside inn. There is only one major complaint, which was about nerfing.

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

From a monetary perspective neither game has anything on Lineage 2 which, according to the publisher, is the most popular game of all time.

That seems extremely unlikely. However, before I say anything, can you show me a link where you got this statistic?

AeroLion · Oct 03, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Chart with figures

Been updated for a long time. According to it, which was last updated in June, Lineage 2 would be the most popular MMO. I don't think it means anything because there are so many ways for the publishing company and the developer to manipulate the results.

KvanCetre · Oct 03, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Did Lineage hit it off big in Asia or something? I honestly had never heard of Lineage until Lineage 2 was announced... and I'd like to think I keep up with gaming pretty well...

Dax · Oct 03, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

Would you care to be an adult or would like to state pointless bullsh*t with no facts or opinions to reinforce anything you say? Yes, WoW is better than GW if the treadmill type gameplay is what you desire. If you don't GW is better. In either case, it's retarded to compare one to the other since they are so radically different. The only thing of consequence they have in common is they are both online and can be co-operative.

Uh yea... first thing I learned is if the best answer you can give is name calling you've lost the battle. You asked if GW had consistant growth, and I replied they didn't not past the base or anything WoW has..... Agree with me or not, actually saying "that means nothing to me" is a non answer. Atleast give me something I can work with.

The fact that WoW has become the yardstick for which every game is judged should tell you something. No one compares GW with Lineage (atleast I have seen) which is the number one MMO.

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

Dax, don't be an idiot. I have the post you previously deleted print-screened. If you would take the time to pull your head out of your own prostate, pass your anus, and into the wide, wide world, you would see that I'm hardly an apologist for Anet. Try to come up with a better reply next time, child.

Fine, I'm very happy for you. Evidently you've mastered the art of a screen shot you must be very proud. I know what I did I started to write something and I expanded on it, sometimes I do that. I had accidently double posted. Quite frankly I really don't care if you believe me or not. Oh and and you'll be glad to know that my prostate looks fine.

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Originally Posted by sino-soviet

I don't think Dax was indicating that forums are representative of quality; its representative of the replay value. But Dax, you seem to be forgetting that recently, the amount of complaints have spiraled downward, while the praise has gone up. Look at the 1st three pages of the riverside inn. There is only one major complaint, which was about nerfing.

That maybe true, I haven't counrted the negative complaint lately, but you would have to agree that it has been the case for awhile. I think I have said atleast once in the past 3 replies that I really want to like GW.

C2K · Oct 03, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Did Lineage hit it off big in Asia or something? I honestly had never heard of Lineage until Lineage 2 was announced... and I'd like to think I keep up with gaming pretty well...

From what I heard, Lineage was really big in the Asian gaming scene, and that it was the No. 1 MMO in the Asian market(don't know about now). How much of this true, I don't know.

User Name · Oct 03, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

true but they had a lot of fun before boredom set in for some.

count on them coming back for a second helping when chapter 2 comes out.

Depending on when Tabula Rasa is released you might not see many people come back for chapter 2. For me Guild Wars was not a success...it was an incredibly entertaining game for the first time through the story line, the PvP is pretty fun for a little while and certainly worth keeping the game installed for a run through Tombs every once in a while...but it left me with no desire to purchase chapter 2. Unfortunately there just isn't a need to see what happens or where the game is going. I honestly couldn't care any less about the world of Tyria or the characters in the game. They never bothered to develop a storyline that forced me to become attached to these characters...certainly not attached enough to pay another 50 bucks for what will innevitably be a very poorly written storyline with little to no character development. If Tabula Rasa is released anywhere around the Quarter 1 2006 release date of Guild Wars: Chapter 2...you'll likely see Guild Wars fall into obscurity.

does anyone know how they are going to handle PvP? are PvP players going to be forced to purchase Chapter 2 to continue playing PvP at a competitive level?

Loviatar · Oct 03, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

[QUOTE=User Name] If Tabula Rasa is released anywhere around the Quarter 1 2006 release date of Guild Wars: Chapter 2...you'll likely see Guild Wars fall into obscurity.
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and to be honest how many people will be as enchanted with that besides you?

on the other hand when OBLIVION comes out i will disappear for awhile as i did for ARENA (first ELDER SCROLLS) back in 1994.

i will also order chapter 2.

what most people are missing is that this game is not meant to be played constantly.

you get a good fun time out of it and put it away until the next chapter/big update.

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it was an incredibly entertaining game for the first time through the story line, the PvP is pretty fun for a little while and certainly worth keeping the game installed for a run through Tombs every once in a while...but it left me with no desire to purchase chapter 2.

what you said there says it all.

did you get 50 dollars of good quality timewise out of it or not?

chapter 2 will have its own separate storyline arc and be a continuation but different from the past.

if you had fun and your moneys worth why not see what develops before you make such final statements of *it will be bad*

User Name · Oct 03, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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and to be honest how many people will be as enchanted with that besides you?

if you're asking how many people will be interested in Tabula Rasa...It's not my place to make a guess at that...Though I can see that the anticipation of this NCSoft Title is very very high.

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on the other hand when OBLIVION comes out i will disappear for awhile as i did for ARENA (first ELDER SCROLLS) back in 1994.

exactly my point...ArenaNet and NCSoft need to be very very careful when they release Chapter 2...if they release it anywhere near a highly anticipated new title or a returning 'Golden Oldy'...they're gonna be in a lot of trouble. The initial release of Guild Wars was perfect...at the time there were very few titles being introduced to the market...and none of them had the hype that GW was receiving. The second time around they need to make the same strategic move.

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i will also order chapter 2.

I probably won't...unless they force you to purchase the title to continue playing PvP at a competitive level.

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what most people are missing is that this game is not meant to be played constantly.

nobody is missing that point...there are many many people who only play every once in a while. The point remains that this game is a fantastic PvP game...and a horribly bad RPG.

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you get a good fun time out of it and put it away until the next chapter/big update.

agreed....Even though the *Big Update* was still pretty lacking

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did you get 50 dollars of good quality timewise out of it or not?

Absolutely did

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chapter 2 will have its own separate storyline arc and be a continuation but different from the past.

If it's as well written as the storyline for the first installment...I'll pass.

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if you had fun and your moneys worth why not see what develops before you make such final statements of *it will be bad*

The PvE part of the game is great...until you hit Lions Arch and watch it fall apart at the seems....you then continue through the game hoping it can stitch itself back together in a final attempt to make sense...but it doesn't. You get to the end of the game and think "why did I just waste so many hours trying to finish this game only to realize that the *end* wasn't an end at all...it was just the developers running out of ideas."

I never made the statement *it will be bad*...I made the statement 'It will be bad if it's anything like the first installment"(in sole reference to PvE)

Divine Elemental · Oct 05, 2005, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Lag Hell

Since the past few weeks, ive noticed the size of LA shrink, trade has died down, tombs is much less lively and mission areas are like abandoned ghost towns.... has every1 stopped playing? (i supose the game is on abit of a down right now) or is every1 2 busy farming....

I Highly disagree abotu tombs..
Jesus CHRIST!
all iway n00bs etc are in int district....
and now u cant find anyone gg in int xcept ur friends

well for me i have fun at PvP ID1 or i get sometimes in Grotto American 1

Iere · Oct 05, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Argh, I'm sick of people running the whole "THIS GAME IS DYING" stuff.

Got enough of that with Saga of Ryzom, thanks.

You want a game with few players? Try Ryzom. You're lucky if you can find three players in town at once on a single server. You're lucky if you can run into five people while out and about. And they're still going.

School is why I haven't been able to play so much... not to mention the fact that I can't PvP seriously until I get Vent, which is leaving me to sit in random all day long when I feel like PVPing. I have a lot of fun in PvE helping my guildies through the mission and just exploring, as well as coming up with self-sufficient builds, trying to get through UW and FoW, etc.

Dax · Oct 05, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by User Name

Depending on when Tabula Rasa is released you might not see many people come back for chapter 2. For me Guild Wars was not a success...it was an incredibly entertaining game for the first time through the story line, the PvP is pretty fun for a little while and certainly worth keeping the game installed for a run through Tombs every once in a while...but it left me with no desire to purchase chapter 2. Unfortunately there just isn't a need to see what happens or where the game is going. I honestly couldn't care any less about the world of Tyria or the characters in the game. They never bothered to develop a storyline that forced me to become attached to these characters...certainly not attached enough to pay another 50 bucks for what will innevitably be a very poorly written storyline with little to no character development. If Tabula Rasa is released anywhere around the Quarter 1 2006 release date of Guild Wars: Chapter 2...you'll likely see Guild Wars fall into obscurity.

I'm inclined to agree partly, in so far as there are a few good looking MMOs (in whatever strain of style and substance) coming out. I share many of the same sediments of GW, I really had no sense of immersion with my character or the storyline....especially when everyone wants to rush rush rush through.
I don't blame character development however I blame the game mechanics and thier integration of PvP and PvE. Separate but equal..heh. note: This is just my opinion

I do think however that most people who played the first one will pick up chapter 2 just like I bet most people who played CoH will pick up City of Villians...atleast to check it out.

smurfhunter · Oct 05, 2005, 06:20 AM // 06:20

ive seen the american districts (in tombs) go to about 13 districts. which is significantly more than the like 7 that were there a week ago. (sad, i remember the sizes...)

kawaii_bat · Oct 05, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

It's test and project time for most people who go to Universities and college.

Borealis · Oct 05, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I've been pulled into world of warcraft and I don't think I'll be back anytime soon.

No matter how bored I am at the moment I can always find somewhere new to go and find something new to do.

I remember one night I was in the undercity and saw "The Undercity is under attack", turns out 10-15 invisible lvl60 rogues stealthed into the city and started killing everything in sight....that was friggin cool.

I never thought I'd pay a monthly fee for a game......thought the idea was ridiculous, so far...gaming wise it's some of the best money I've spent lately. /opinion

Witchblade · Oct 06, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Lag Hell

Since the past few weeks, ive noticed the size of LA shrink, trade has died down, tombs is much less lively and mission areas are like abandoned ghost towns.... has every1 stopped playing? (i supose the game is on abit of a down right now) or is every1 2 busy farming....

1000hours of play the 3 1st months here... now +-1h per week

Nothing to do on GW atm

Dax · Oct 06, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

1000hours of play the 3 1st months here... now +-1h per week

Nothing to do on GW atm

I'm just curious does that mean the first 3 months?

On a different note... I think it's only natural when there's nothing to do, to move on. I don't see what the big whoop is all about.

I know people have school and stuff but theres different time zones, you should always see people online. Plus I'm sorry, I know people who work in 12+ hours every day and clock in several MMO hours, just not in GW.

Sayshina · Oct 06, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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Originally Posted by User Name

If Tabula Rasa is released anywhere around the Quarter 1 2006 release date of Guild Wars: Chapter 2...you'll likely see Guild Wars fall into obscurity.
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what most people are missing is that this game is not meant to be played constantly.

you get a good fun time out of it and put it away until the next chapter/big update.

did you get 50 dollars of good quality timewise out of it or not?

No, in fact I did NOT get my money's worth out of this game. As has been said many times before, but many other former players, we were lied to. I realize that doesn't matter to all of you who came later, because you were never mislead. We were.

There are few complaint threads now days because the PvP players have moved on. It became obvious Anet was never even going to admit there was a problem. Gaile Gray never went into any posts that hinted at a negative comment, and she almost never responded to any questions that were not openly kissing Anet's ass. She is the worst CSR I have ever come in contact with.

Look on the ladder for any of the top guilds. Fi, LOTD, War Machine, IVEX... They're all gone. It takes like 15 wins to make the top 50 now, and that shows you how far the quality of competition has fallen.

And just how exactly do you assume to know what this game was designed to be? You say it was never meant to be ..., but the truth is you havn't a clue WHAT it was meant to be. Even if you happened to be sleeping with Anet's resident mouthpiece, you wouldn't know. She's clueless, and seems incapable of anything other than add speak.

Gaile can play games like "the number of active accounts" if she likes. Until she explains what exactly constitutes an "active" account, it's meaningless. Are my accounts "active"? I havn't played a single second in more than a month, and probably played 2 hours in the last 2 months total. Whenever a person starts talking like a politition, your B.S. meter should be sounding the alarm.

Yes the game has gotten some positive reviews. Have you read any of them? Does it look like any of them were based off of more than 1 hour of gameplay? Do any of the reviewers sound like they even bothered to play all the way to L.A.? Why does every single one of those reviews list Anet's official line as if it were gospel? Isn't the first rule of journalism to seek the truth, and publish it? When did it become acceptable to simply quote the spokesperson and treat that as the truth unchallenged?

I've been seeing excuses for all the dead zones from the moment the game went live. First it was "it's not released in Korea yet", then it was "schools not out yet", followed by a few I can't seem to remember at the moment. Now we have come full circle and we're back to "school" as the logical culprit.

A good game doesn't need excuses, and it doesn't need a CSR to tell us it's popular either. The fact that Gaile Gray felt the need to issue that statment, in marketspeak no less, says more than has ever come out of her mouth.

Chev of Hardass · Oct 06, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

You know, Sayshina, I have seen a lot of posts by people like you. Pissed that UAS is no longer an option and Ohh no that cap sigs are new, waaaaaa.

Well, if you complained less, you would have fully unlocked your account by now. It doesn't take that long.

Maybe you are just pissed that Fertil Season does not stack. Well, that is not competition and Guild Wars does not need you, or people like you. Guild Wars has turned into a world of real competition in the last month or so. Probably, because A.Net has nerfed griefer and exploit builds.

So, good luck, find yourself a new game. Those of us that are up for real competition, the kind where you actually admire people that beat us, and you actually feel like you did something when you win, are happy you have left.